Thank you Luke and Susan for the review. I have relied heavily on T.O.G.R. for information on gear and anything related to backpacking and hiking. You guys rock when it comes to high quality videos and Information and of course awesome stories! Luke, could you please tell me what brand those pants are you are wearing? I have seen you in them alot, so they must be great. Thank you again to both of you and I hope your family is well! Clinton Mizell "SC Outdoor Quest"